This is an excerpt from an exchange I had with a fellow astrologer on the essence of Saturn and Mars, with relation to emotional and social maturity, and free-will.
Mr. X: On the 2016 presidency prognosis chart ↗️ you equated limitations to the people of the USA with a Saturnine influence, correct? Can you exemplify?
FO: Yes; along with a Martial influence as well.
Take the example of gay marriage or abortion. The new president and his people want to forbid those. That is Saturn in action. Saturn rules barriers, walls and limitations. They want to do that by law: Mars; so a martial influence as well. Mars rules force and rules by force. Look at that chart: Trump (the new president) enters the rulership of Saturn and exaltation of Mars while being in the Moon’s detriment so, the potential is that the people will suffer the effects of that Saturnine-martial influence.
Mr. X: But that is subjective. Some people believe that abortion or gay marriage should not be allowed, and others think they should be allowed. So it is relative.
FO: The belief is subjective, no doubt. But planet rulership is not subjective; it is quite objective in its symbolism. And whatever is relative in that respect is described by essential dignity in astrological terms. And just to be sure: I’m not talking about the presidency “prediction” per se here. I’m simply taking a view expressed by the president to exemplify the essence of Saturn and Mars and their implications on free will, as I understand it.
We are talking about the essence of the planet. Stopping people from doing what they want to do is a Saturnine-Martial function. We are astrologers and should be able to understand and speak of “essence” in a dispassionate way. Now, whether that limitation is a good thing or not is a different dimension of the phenomenon being investigated. One direct implication, however, is on free will and what free will means in human manifestation.
The subject of being for or against gay marriage or abortion is not relevant to the meaning of the symbols. However, an essential dimension of being human is the exercise of free will and forcing other people, one’s children or oneself against their or our own free will causes emotional imbalance and “spiritual accounting”.
Sooner or later, you will feel you owe others the freedom you took away from them. And vice-versa, you will demand to be paid back. So, passing a law to forbid everybody to perform abortion or gay marriage (or any other prohibition of similar character) is akin to Saturn and Mars in detriment. It is a debilitated expression of those essences. It is an expression based on immaturity as a human being; it is bullying or tyranny. It is unhealthy. It is a transgression. It creates Karma. It comes from house 12, from fear and wrong beliefs. Not from love and wisdom.
Do whatever you please with your life, but do not interfere with other people’s free wills unless they are committing the very crime of interfering with another’s free will, such as murder or theft or passing blanket laws, rape, brainwashing or even what passes for education in some places, religious groups and families, for example. Methinks.
So, if anybody deserves to be limited by Saturn and Mars, they are the very people who want to impinge on other people’s free will. That’s why we jail murderers and thieves. Humanity is just not mature enough or awake enough to jail politicians, priests or brainwashers yet, as they are still quite loved and exalted by many.
Some beliefs are harmless or helpful. Others are harmful and deserve reassessment. A certain degree of maturity is needed for this. If there is no maturity, those who follow beliefs blindly will continue interfering with other people’s and their own free wills. That is, they will operate from House 12 under a debilitated Saturnine-martial influence. They sow and reap unhappiness for themselves and those under their power.
